Sky's PVR

[Lurker]

well, similar to UK Sky+then . Good thing is they are not trying to charge extra for the Guide Data but, as suspected explains why no HDD recorder here or Microsoft Media Centre can get Guide Data provision (can we all hum " lets corner the market" )

$599 is not a bad price either compared to UK Sky+

And nice to see SCART - hurrah! Mind you with then NZ retailers and supply chain busy trying to get rid of SCART in favour of Component someone is going to get Egg on their face - " oh yes mr Customer just use the yellow plug - snort"

Still prefer my Tivo though - then again Gigabytes AVPC is kinda cute - PC that looks just like a Panny DVD/HDD. Seen one open on a supliers workbench the other day - tight fit inside to get the low profile - 2 fans too although quiet enough

Chris

[timmy]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10344416

well it's good to see they weren't completely stupid and disabled fastforwarding adverts. Perhaps it wasn't technically possible, haha kidding.

tivo rules!

now if only I watched sky tv... NOT


TiM

[brucer]

Hmmm.. I love my Tivo too but... 2 tuners, direct digital recording (way better quality) and no EPG worries is really quite tempting isn't it?

[jaidev]

The Scart output supports both RGB and Component out, you just need the right cable from Sky I gather, as normally to go from Scart (RGB) to component you need an active converter so those cables (scart to component) aren't easily available, since they wouldn't work normally. Changing the Scart to output component will be a settings change in the STB menus.

[Lurker]

Yeah must admit confused by the whole RGB/Component issue. This is what I have gethered although I could be totally wrong

Scart is the physical plug format which, I believe, outputs either RGB (fully wired) or Svideo plus sound as RGB/Svideo/Composite are the same family of signal (going from best to worst quality) whereas Component is not only a different (incompatible) way to transmit signals but is also a name for the 3 individual physical connectors.

Many TV in NZ used to use Svideo and Composite connectors - and SCART connectors. With the upsurge in DVD players with Component out and, more recently DVD Recorders with the same TV manufacturers (Save Panasonic) and in particular Philips have dropped the SCART connectors in favour of a single Component connector.

Which is a real bitch as all my DVD, Tivo, Satellite box (UK - not used) and VCR all use SCART.

I spent ages on the phone to Philips - long story about a replacement TV that ony had Component inputs) and the suggestion from the technician was use Svideo. Although the Manual CLAIMED the TV had "RGB Component" connectors the techie could not tell me if that meant I gould feed a SCART RGB signal through a simple non - electronic convertor to Component.

I belived not but DSE has one of these - god knows how they sell any if it does not work tho!

Came up with nothing and when talking to retailers, who (aside from knowing very little about their product) were given the line to feed that SCART was "a European standard not relevant to New Zealand". They seemed befuddled when I asked what the "New Zealand" developed connector they were pushing was - and I hoped it was not some other foreign developed rubbish not relevant to NZ like...Composite, Svideo or Component - the look on their faces was worth it!

Eventually they said they were told that you plug DVD into the component and anything else like VHS or decoder boxes into the "yellow port" - OMFG talk about a large step back to the stone age!

I then would ask what people used those rectangular things on the sky boxes for? - whereupon they said Sky would not use those funny rectangular connectors in future so it is nice to see SKY PVR will have SCART - hopefully making Philips et al change their Connector blocks to reincorporatre a nice civilised input like SCART.

The problem is mainly the newer TV have 1 Component, 1 SVideo and several Composite - whereas the old had up to 3 SCART so I could plug everything in. Even with 2 SCART I could put DVD, Tivo, STB, VCR all on to 1 TV allowing VCR and Tivo to record different channels and DVD to play at the same time. If I was really keen I could use a cheap manual RGB SCART switch to put Xbox, PS2 and DVD all on 1 SCART and the rest on the other allowing me to wire the Consoles'sound though my home cinema amp (mmmm Halo in 5.1 - yummy).

I am going to have to figure out how to cable up my Tivo to my new TV eventually - probalby use SCART for cabling between my boxes and SCART to SVIDEO cable from Tivo to TV - but I would rather not have the loss of quality particularly as the Monster Cable Scart to Svideo cable I had for projector work does not have sound plugs!

Chris

[Lurker]

Hmm 2 comments after thinking about it

"no additional subscription charge"

As you can record 2 channels does this mean no charge above basic sub or no charge above the sub for 2 decoders?


Second thoughts $599 charge for conenction - i.e. you do not own the box???? that is a bit off.... mind you the box can't be used if no sub (if same as SKY+ - reverts to simple single channel decoder without sub). Although would be interesting to see if Sky+ would work in NZ - bring over own SKY+ box, get normal sub with card and avoid the $599 charge

[petestrash]

Second thoughts $599 charge for conenction - i.e. you do not own the box???? that is a bit off.... mind you the box can't be used if no sub (if same as SKY+ - reverts to simple single channel decoder without sub). Although would be interesting to see if Sky+ would work in NZ - bring over own SKY+ box, get normal sub with card and avoid the $599 charge

A lot of boxes today are married to their smartcard. So a sky NZ card may not work with a UK sky+ box.

Peter

[jaidev]

Hmmm.. I love my Tivo too but... 2 tuners, direct digital recording (way better quality) and no EPG worries is really quite tempting isn't it?

I don't think it'll be quite that smooth. Sky used internal focus group to beta test it, in the short time frame for release I bet they wouldn't 'use/test it' to the extent that we advanced pvr users would.

I'd expect the following, STB crashing due to buggy software, EPG errors, and the killer is, lots of series links (season passes) not working or even available, for FTA Sky will rely on the broadcasters provded EPG data having the relevant series link (season pass) info.

Since there is no monthly charge for the guide, then I see no real development would be done on the EPG, it will be useable but not great.