Before I ran the manual connection there was no epg. Ran the manual connection and epg is back. 👍. I don?t understand why the manual one worked compared to the routine connection which was not downloading the epg. Do I take it if epg is running out I should always do a manual connect? I?d like to hear why the 2 connections are different if someone felt inclined to explain in simple terms 😁. Anyway, thanks for the suggestion Darren. I am so relieved TiVo lives on. I have 3 and they are better than anything else imho