Thanks guys, that's solved it.

Just for the record, my Tivo had multiple ntpdates , but not the symlink to fixtime.cron. It does now though thanks to your help.

lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 22 Oct 13 20:33 /bin/ntpdate -> /hack/bin /fixtime.cron
-rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 59415 Aug 1 07:51 /bin/ntpdate.new
-rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 1410 Aug 1 07:03 /bin/ntpdate.old
-rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 299512 May 30 2002 /bin/ntpdate.orig

Ntpdate now works, and the clock setting done during a call ( which I can see from the Tclient log uses ntpdate) also works.

owe you both one, thanks again.

Dread