no guide listings for live tv or guide listings

Hello

Firstly, thanks to darren who so generlously helped me over the weekend by fixing my tivo. I really appreciate all the help you gave to me. I have been at this since saturday and have tried a heap of things in the mailing list but im having no luck with it at all

Once I have finished the guided installation, It says leave you tivo for 4-8 hrs. When i hit select it comes up with the information bar asking me to make a call to get more guide data. I thought that was part of indexing so i left it for a whole 24 hrs. After that, still no guide data. Well since then i have asked it to call several times and each times it stays at setting clock for 5-10 mins then it say getting guide data. and completes. I am using a serial connection or this set at 57600 and PPP is set on the tivo as well. The weird thing is when doing the guided install, if i try to use the ,#257 code it fails but when i change it to 401 it's fine. Also the serial link between my tivo and the PC is always on. Now i have tried fixing the warped time as well and looked for errors in the tvlog but i cant see anything wrong with it. Another point is that when inb the phone connection, the 'program guide data to' is listed as none available. when it finishes redialling it says that it has succeeded but the program guide data is still listed as none available. I am stumped and really dont now what to do here. Is there anyone who has had this issue?

Under live tv it just says Daily call required.

Btw i have already tried doing the guided setip again and this has proved fruitless. I have tried clearing any possible guide data and getting it downloaded again by forcing a dial bak with no luck at all. Anyone with suggestions? Have i missed something?

Thanks

Is this a fresh install? If not, it might pay to do a "Clear Program Data & Todo List" in Messages & Setup / System Reset. before running the GS.

You have not told us what you have selected during the install, for example if you choose antenna or Satellite & antenna as a source this will cause problems. Make sure you follow all the steps in GuidedSetup30 Please tell us what you have selected for your source(s), postcode, area code and which lineups you selected for your input source(s).

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Originally Posted by lollercoaster

Well since then i have asked it to call several times and each times it stays at setting clock for 5-10 mins then it say getting guide data. and completes.

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Forcing more than 1 daily call within a 24 hour period can cause indexing and clock warp errors.

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Originally Posted by lollercoaster

I am using a serial connection or this set at 57600 and PPP is set on the tivo as well. The weird thing is when doing the guided install, if i try to use the ,#257 code it fails but when i change it to 401 it's fine.

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the ,#257 code is used for a serial connection (EG external modem) the ,#401 tells the TiVo you want to enable backdoors and in your case use ppp over the serial connection.

If after checking all of the above it still does not work for you attach a copy of your otclient log after a daily call.

Peter

thanks for the advise pete. Well I am still having the same issue so i will break down what i have done so that you all have a good idea of what i have done.

I decided to start from scratch and do a low level format on the harddrive and then install the image from the iso on minnie. When i ran it i did the standard install of the files using a 127mb partition on a 40gb harddrive. After that i set the connection to ppp using serial (rather than bash) as noted in the connect using an xp machine.

After installing the software i ran the guided setup to the letter as noted on the website. In that i mean i selected cable as my input source (im on fox dig), and chose the area codes for Victoria (03000 and 003). I did the initial dial up and when it connected to my p the tivo actually downloaded approx 320kb. After that i selected the selected foxtel digital for my provider, advised it i needed 3 figures to change channels and hose the oztivo settings. I selected the code 30046 for the ir and then it went through the final dial up process. once completed it ran the intro and after that went to the guide. I switched over to live tv and now it says "youm must make a daily call to get more program guide data"

In the messages folder it also advises me that the reorder has no more program guide data and that it must make a successful daily call to resume recording season passes. When i go into the phone connection setup the heading "program guide data to:" states "none available"

In terms of my connection to the internet, I am running a dsl connection. The dsl/router is connected to a wireless router and that is what everthing is conneted to. The tivo connects to my lounge computer using the serial cable and then this connects to the wirless router. I have to manually set the TP/Ip addresses for the connection which have been set at 192.168.2.x1 to .x5 respectively. this is the same as the other computers on my network as well as my xbox.

As requested,I have uploaded the otclient log from the last daily call. Hope you can help cos although it is now up and running it is really aglorified vcr :s

Thanks for the help, hope there is something i can do.

I have concerns about the following from your otclient.log

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Originally Posted by Otclient

Aug 3 18:19:38 (none) comm[138]: About to execute: /tvbin/crypto -gsn 2>&1
Aug 3 18:19:40 (none) comm[138]: Command: /tvbin/crypto -gsn 2>&1, failed: 256
Aug 3 18:19:40 (none) comm[138]: KeyQuery: failed to get serial number: Unable to get crypto chip's attention!
Aug 3 18:19:40 (none) comm[138]: About to execute: /tvbin/crypto -gsv 2>&1
Aug 3 18:19:42 (none) comm[138]: Command: /tvbin/crypto -gsv 2>&1, failed: 256
Aug 3 18:19:42 (none) comm[138]: KeyQuery: failed to get version info: Unable to get crypto chip's attention!
Aug 3 18:19:42 (none) comm[138]: About to execute: /tvbin/crypto -x -gek 2>&1
Aug 3 18:19:44 (none) comm[138]: Command: /tvbin/crypto -x -gek 2>&1, failed: 256
Aug 3 18:19:44 (none) comm[138]: KeyQuery: failed to get public key: Unable to get crypto chip's attention!
Aug 3 18:19:44 (none) comm[138]: ProgramDataUtil: Accumulated 0 station days

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My understanding is that the Tivo needs these keys to access the guide data and your TiVo is failing to produce them.

How long did the 2nd call tivo made during GS take?

How long did you leave your tivo after running GS before trying to force a call?

This could also be an actual hardware fault with the crypto chip, what is the history of this unit. Have you just bought it, or are you just upgrading the image?

Peter.

Ummmm... history is that his original board was totally cactus and was swapped for this board out of my stock.

Having said that it DID get tested on my test hard disk and did not appear to have an issue with getting guide data. :confused: Although I have to admit it does look like the crypto chip has died.

I would have liked to actually return this unit with the owner's test hard disk fully set up but I don't have PPP and he don't have a network card so it wasn't that easy from my point of view not knowing how to reconfigure for either after imaging the hard disk.

Hello Pete

Well i have actually only had the unit for about 2 weeks now having shipped it form the states. I had the board replaced about a week ago to resolve a picture problem that i was having. That was done by darren and as he has just mentioned everything seemed to be a ok

During the GS the second call takes about 5 mins to complete. very short. When i look at the data being transferred to the tivo it is about 22kb. As soon as the tio has completed the GS it actually asks me to make a dial back as no info is contained. At first i thought this was part of the indexing process, so i left it alone for a day to see if that would make a difference. At that point i rechecked all the details i had provided during the guided install and did the forced dial back.

This doesnt make sense because although it is not getting the guide data it is getting the channel names and respective numbers. I dont know much about the coding of course but i would assume that if it able to get specific channel numbers and names then wouldnt that indicate that motherboard is abe to decifer the information and provide the necessary codes?

Thanks for your help

I'm a little curious about this line in your log:

KeyQuery: failed to get serial number: Unable to get crypto chip's attention!

If you go to your on screen menu to the System Information screen do you actually see a system ID number on the screen or nothing?

I'm a little puzzled as I was always under the understanding that the TiVo would not boot if it could not talk to the crypto chip. I've actually tried this and it was the case so now I'm totally lost :(

Darren

In system information I cannot find a system ID number at all. However, i do have the Harddrive ID. L41K1SC Tivo service number is listed as 'not available'

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Originally Posted by lollercoaster

During the GS the second call takes about 5 mins to complete. very short. When i look at the data being transferred to the tivo it is about 22kb.

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This mean that it definately did not download any guide data, so at least we know its's not an indexing problem.

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Originally Posted by lollercoaster

This doesnt make sense because although it is not getting the guide data it is getting the channel names and respective numbers. I dont know much about the coding of course but i would assume that if it able to get specific channel numbers and names then wouldnt that indicate that motherboard is abe to decifer the information and provide the necessary codes?

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My understanding is the headend data (channels etc) is not encrypted. only the guide slices are. this stops someone from copying the slices from one tivo to another to get around paying for 2 subscriptions.

I remember seeing software workarounds for Dtivos with similar issues, but can't recall seeing any for SA TiVo's.

Darren, did you run a GS on this board or did you just use an already imaged drive? Since it downloaded guide data for you, A workaround may be to run GS on a spare board using lollercoaster's drive, then try the drive in his tivo.

Peter.

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Originally Posted by lollercoaster

Tivo service number is listed as 'not available'

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Thats not a good sign for the Crypto chip... :(

Peter

Thanks for your help guys at least we're getting somewhere!
If it is the crypto chip does that mean a complete motherboard replacement or could the chip just be replaced?

Chip can be replaced but it is not something you can do, nor can be done in the space of five minutes. My approach (given as it is now my responsibility) will be to do an on the spot board change and I'll have to investigate your board at a later date.

Of course there is no cost for this I'll have to cop it sweet as being something I missed or has gone belly up inside the warranty period.

I'll be in touch via email to square up a suitable time for all this to happen.

Darren,

When you get around to fault finding, I would still be interested to know if that board does pull slices using an already imaged drive. Given that it's not sending a TCDID to the emulator. Or if was just bad luck having the crypto die since you tested it.

Peter.

PS my package arrived from you today, after delay by the courier. I haven't opened it yet, but I understand the contents are under an embargo till Monday :D

Hi Peter

Will do. I'm just organising taking delivery of the TiVo and will investigate further when I get it. Ultimately lollercoaster will end up with a working TiVo but I am just as eager to interrogate the board as he is for a 100% working TiVo :)

Glad to hear the package arrived. Public announcement on what I have up my sleeve is due for release Monday but I welcome any comments you have (or any of the other half a dozen lucku people with the modification) to comment off list with me.

This looks better:

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Aug 5 22:27:59 (none) comm[168]: About to execute: /tvbin/genkey 128 1 2>&1
Aug 5 22:28:00 (none) comm[168]: Command succeeded
Aug 5 22:28:00 (none) comm[168]: EncryptLog: key was empty for BACKHAUL_PRIVATE
Aug 5 22:28:00 (none) comm[168]: Done with actual private logs processing
Aug 5 22:28:00 (none) comm[168]: About to execute: /tvbin/crypto -gsn 2>&1
Aug 5 22:28:01 (none) comm[168]: Command succeeded
Aug 5 22:28:01 (none) comm[168]: About to execute: /tvbin/crypto -gsv 2>&1
Aug 5 22:28:02 (none) comm[168]: Command succeeded
Aug 5 22:28:03 (none) comm[168]: About to execute: /tvbin/crypto -x -gek 2>&1
Aug 5 22:28:10 (none) comm[168]: Command succeeded
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: SvcLogRqst: rename failed (/var/log/svclog probably doesn't exist) skipping
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: SvcLogRqst: rename failed (/var/log/commlog probably doesn't exist) skipping
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: Start TCD411 Request ==================
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: areaCode: 003
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: prefix: %2C%23401
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: dialInAreaCode:
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: curPhNum:
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: objVer:
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: tcdId: 002XXXXXXXXD9
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: callId: <removed>
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: dialPrefix: %2C%23401
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: dialToneCheck: 1
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: offHookDetect: 0
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: tonePulseDial: T
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: callWaitPrefix:
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: tollFreeAuth: 1
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: callType: TS_SR_ACCEPTED
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: swVerName: 3.0-01-1-000
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: End TCD411 Request ==================
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: sigType=st=2 connector=con=1...
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: Error getting the Avalanche Disk Directories: errNmNameNotFound
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: Start Ident ==================
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: version: 3
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: centerID: 002XXXXXXXXD9
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: reasonCode: 6
Aug 5 22:28:11 (none) comm[168]: softwareDesc:

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Needless to say it is now working and has a valid ID number (which I have partially removed from this post). A couple of entries might look odd for "normal" operation as this was lifted from the setup call, but the end result is that it has finished loading and indexing valid guide data and is happily running like it should.

The problem? Yes it was hardware and did not take long to find. It turned out to be transistor Q16. For those playing at home, the crypto chip is the "Atmel" branded chip right next door to the IDE hard disk connector and the front panel connector and Q16 is in the group of parts in the near vicinity. It's involvement is to buffer the data exchange between the crypto chip and the processor and I it had simply gone belly-up for an unknown reason.

A little signal tracing of the data requests to and from the crypto chip showed where they were stopping and another replacement transistor and everything is up and running.... and I didn't even have to remove the board from the case :)

Good catch Darren!

Peter.

Probably a silly question.. but you've mentioned 'Crypto'... This is a chip on the MB I take it? What does it do? (Cryptology or something?) :)

Yep.

The part is an Atmel AT90SC3232 secure microcontroller which can do some really cool stuff and very under utilised on the TiVo. Datasheets can be found here: http://soviva.com/pdf/at90sc3232.pdf

For use in the TiVo it contains in it (among other things) the service ID number of your TiVo which are supposed to be unique but not always the case as was recently highlighted on the OzTiVo email list of two people having the same ID number. This is because it can be changed with the right tools of the trade.

In a TiVo the "crypto chip" as it is called here sends and receives serial data instructions from the main processor to validate the TiVo and as highlighted in this thread the ability to download valid guide data.

hey guys

Funny how such a small thing can cause so much trouble. Want to thankDarren once again for being an absolute legend and making the trip to fully functional tivo a helleva lot easier.

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Originally Posted by zollymonsta

Probably a silly question.. but you've mentioned 'Crypto'... This is a chip on the MB I take it?

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It's the chip numbered '34' (U17) on the front of the mainboard between the front panel and IDE connectors.
http://www.9thtee.com/images/tivochips.jpg

Peter.