Image suitable for UK TiVo

Pending jaidev's response, this is the Auckland lineup on the FTA postcode 02112

# Auckland FTA
TV1-AKL 2
TV2-AKL 4
TV3-AKL 7
C4-AKL 9
TriTV-A41 41
TriTV-A42 42
Prime-AKL 59
Juice-AKL 57
Maori-AKL 43
TAB-AKL 55
AltTV-AKL 62
#Ends

thanks for that, 02112 has so far at different times generated the Dunedin FTA channels and the no data for that postcode during GS , any tips? Might try a new image.

Nope, still showing Dunedin, at what point does one tell the Guided Setup for the Thomson one lives in Auckland? Maybe I should put on three quarter pants, wear my sunglasses on my forehead and sit in a Porsche Cayenne and then try? I will remove the scarf and track pants, TiVo still thinks I am in Dunedin!!

Just so you dont think you are crazy.. mine does exactly the same, from the latest beta image.

Heya Daniel, thanks for the affirmation, I am missing brain cells but not that many. So you have a Thomson with the beta image as well and you are trying to get the current Auckland FTA channels running on the TiVo's tuner? I think we are being punished for having 10 FTA channels and not living in Dunedin? Someone will drop us a hint as to where we are going wrong. There must be a manual method of inserting the FULL up to date Auckland channel lineup? Can anyone assist with a hint or two, cant wait to consign the Phillips VCR (STB) to the bin permanently.

Hmmm, mine is GS'd against 02113, [strike]Will check out what ukchan module is in that image.. It'd just be a case of compiling a custom one..
Since my linux boxem are down at the mo, Thomson maybe able to help me out (cheers bud dunno what we'd do without ya) :P [/strike]

Hmmmmmm however it's at the point of GS you are not getting a Auckland lineup, does it show Auckland if you pick "Cable, No cablebox" with postcode 02112?

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Originally Posted by finethen

2 55.250 TV 1
4 175.250 TV 2
7 196.250 TV 3
9 210.250 C4
41 631.250 Triangle
43 647.250 Maori TV
57 679.250 Juice TV
59 775.250 Prime TV
62 799.250 Alt TV

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If you have any trouble getting the tuner in the UK hardware to tune into these channels then you might like to try using the attached ukchan module as it will setup the frequency table correctly and configure NICAM support. The guide data and headend information would have to be configured from the emulator as that is what would be populating the data.

Yep that module should already the one used in the image..
Try the "Cable, No cable box" during GS see if you get Auckland lineup for 02112

Hiya welcome back to the thread, no Auckland does not show up as an option during GS using that combination although "Cable, No cablebox" is not shown as an option I have tried 02112 with "Aerial + Analogue cable" and it says "no cable providers etc... try another post code". Other options at that point are;

1. Aerial Only (this has been the focus of most my attempts)
2. Aerial + Digital Cable/Digital Terrestrial
3. Aerial + Analogue Cable
4. Digital Satellite + Digital Cable/Digital Terrestrial
5. Aerial + Digital Satelitte

I am happy to keep trying options if it will assist others later, even downloading trying a new beta image is no problem as I have no guide data yet on this TiVo and the lounge TiVo continues to purr away, plus the woman in my life is happy of the attention with no TiVo in the bedroom.

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Originally Posted by thomson

If you have any trouble getting the tuner in the UK hardware to tune into these channels then you might like to try using the attached ukchan module as it will setup the frequency table correctly and configure NICAM support. The guide data and headend information would have to be configured from the emulator as that is what would be populating the data.

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Thanks Thomson, am I correct in thinking the frequency table should have been correctly set during reimaging by selecting NZ frequency and possibly Nicam as well when I selected dual audio?

Just have checked the channels by using the numbers on the remote and 1 is missing and the other channels are out by two or three depending on how high up they are e.g. Alt Tv is on channel 67 (should be 62) Maori is poorly tuned on 45 (should be 43) TV3 is on 9 (should be 7) so the frequency is not set correctly although Nicam is. I will try and reset with a new image first as I want to get the guided setup running smoothly and then maybe do a Thomsom setup howto for the NZTiVo site using guided setup noting the traps and tricks.

Reimaged the drive again, took particular care with frequency table (NZ) and tuner type (Philips) (IS THAT CORRECT?). Same result TV1 Missing, TV2 on 6, TV3 on 9, C4 missing, Triangle on 43, Maori on 45, Juice on 61, Prime missing, Alt TV on 67.:confused: Still went straight to Dunedin settings, those channels above are selected using number pad on remote.

Thomson its been a couple of years since I've done anything manually on a TiVo and that was limited to setting up the STB codes and setting time etc. can you direct me to instructions for dummies for loading and using the file you supplied, I am onto the FTP and Telnet thing just need locations and commands.:)

Thanks

Extract the module out of the zip file, should be a file called ukchan-2.5.5_nz-nicam.o
FTP the file over to /var/hack
Telnet to tivo then type 'rw' to remount the file system into read/write
the module needs to reside in '/lib/modules' named 'ukchan-2.5.5.o'
there is already a file called that there so rename it for backup (move it) then copy the one you FTP over from /var/hack renaming it in the process
commands are as follows

rw
cd /lib/modules
mv ukchan-2.5.5.o ukchan-2.5.5.o.backup
cp /var/hack/ukchan-2.5.5_nz-nicam.o /lib/modules/ukchan-2.5.5.o
ro

then reboot

If the 02112 postcode won't work, you can try the 02113 postcode which I know has the Auckland Lineup, use Cable, No Cablebox, then when it comes to selecting the channels you receive (each channel will be listed twice one for sky digital and the other for FTA)
untick all the Sky Digital ones, and only tick the FTA channels you receive.

Thanks Jaidev for the howto, just running GS now at what point does one arrive at cable, no cable box as an option? I have as options

1. Aerial Only
2. Aerial + Digital Cable/Digital Terrestrial
3. Aerial + Analogue Cable
4. Digital Satellite + Digital Cable/Digital Terrestrial
5. Aerial + Digital Satelitte

Ok the channel frequencies are now correct yippee, thanks Thomson for your ukchan-2.5.5_nz-nicam.o file and Jaidev for the instruction on transferring. I will work on the line up now 02113 has yielded no service so far 02112 the Dunedin lineup. More tomorrow thanks guys.:)

02113, 02114 and 02115 yields the no service message? 02112 aerial + Digital Sattelite gains Dunedin FTA plus Sky Digital but no Auckland FTA Lineup. I will try removing all data first to see if we get a different answer.

You get to the Cable, no cable box option by following the Emulator setup on this link..

http://forums.oztivo.net/showthread.php?t=959



# For dual source cable and satellite setups...

* Select your satellite provider as your external STB as above, Sky, Saturn and so on.
* When prompted for your cable provider select "No, I do not have a cable box"
* You will get a list of citys for which there are FTA headends. Select the right one...
* Select the corresponding service package

# Add all channels, can be changed later
# For single input users

* the screen then asks about how the box is connected, set to appropriate choice for your environment (either composite a/v in or s-video).

# For dual input users

* You will need to select the satellite box for the 1st source
* Leave the 2nd source as "Cable w/o a box - coax RF in only" ie. Antenna

OK Ureka!!

I did a clear and delete before running the GS again 02113 as jaidev stated contains all channels and Tivo went through and found all FTA channels. Unfortunately they are named for sky digital. The screenshots here after the imaging section and the instructions here are not relevant to the Thomson Image.
So I am a little confused about some the tips from you Jaidev. I have started compiling a how to but so far its unfinished of course but I reckon we can crack it soon.

the saga..

Hi Andy, and Jaidev.

I'm at the same stage as you now andy after redoing from the new beta image for the thompson uk tivo.

after adding the nicam file and rebooting i get still the same as you.
dunedin based chanels and now im getting:

TV1 on tivo 2 - perfect
TV2 on tivo 4 - perfect
TV3 on tivo 9 - very bad reception
C4 on tivo 11 - nothing
Maori on tivo 44 - nothing
Prime on tivo 60 - nothing


so im guessing that the freq for tv3 is not correct for where i am,
yet the frequency for tv3 was perfect before the nicam file.

but not at least i also get to see channels 1 and 2 in live tv which i could not do before only tv3.

think i need to figure out how the channel freqs work properly and make a plugin for the tivoweb or just an asp page or something that will allow complete configuration. or at least complete view of configuration.

Jaidev, is there any hidden ways to make a rerun of Guided setup occur easily???


I'll give you a call if i get any further Andy.

Thanks for all your help to jaidev and thompson.

Main problem with following the emulator instructions is that they dont actually relate to well to the UKTiVo prompts which are different
As an aerial only guy which one of the prompts below should I follow,

1. Aerial Only
2. Aerial + Digital Cable/Digital Terrestrial
3. Aerial + Analogue Cable
4. Digital Satellite + Digital Cable/Digital Terrestrial
5. Aerial + Digital Satelitte

they are not mentioned in the emulator howto, and so far I have not come across an Auckland FTA option at any stage. TiVo scans the whole channel range so thats a step ahead but is giving channels a name that relates to sky digital. The "You will get a list of citys for which there are FTA headends" is not happening .... YET.

Guided Setup may not be the way to go is there a way to back door the machine?

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Originally Posted by finethen

Guided Setup may not be the way to go is there a way to back door the machine?

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There is but I wouldn't recommend it, only for advanced advanced hackrs, and needs to be maintained, besides you won't get updated headends, lineup changes etc..

I'm just looking into it on my Tivo, although I'm not going to do a GS on it.
I am about a week away from having another uktivo to experiment on..

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Originally Posted by finethen

range so thats a step ahead but is giving channels a name that relates to sky digital. The "You will get a list of citys for which there are FTA headends" is not happening .... YET.

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It won't matter that you are also getting a list of channels for Sky Digital, that's what the 02113 postcode is for.

I have used Aerial + Digital Cable/Digital Terrestrial one mine with 02113 postcode. I get the Auckland lineup with all channels duplicated for Sky Digital and FTA..
Sorry there is no 'Cable - no cable box' on the uktivo (must be all these years imaging philips/sony :) )

i.e.
1 (cab) tv1 tv1
1 (aer) tv1 tv1
2 (cab) tv2 tv2
2 (aer) tv2 tv2

Just go into Customise channels, and untick all the (cab) ones and all the (aer) ones that you dont receive.

Yes I have managed to get that "lineup" but the channels are named against sky channels i.e Maori is Cartoon, Prime is Arts, Alt is SBO62, TV1 is TV2, TV2 is UKTV, TV3 is E, Triangle is Playhouse, C4 and Juice are missing.

I will keep experimenting and keep posting if any progress.

Summary: currently using the thomson as a TVNZ machine only as TV1 and TV2 are the only channels that align with the Dunedin headend.

I have tried most combinations during Guided Setup and short of going back to the 1.3 image and using the vcr as a set top box I will await the input of those wiser than myself.

Drop a note on this thread if anyone has anything to help.

I'm am looking into the FTA uktivo issues.. Will let you know progress

Thanks Jaidev I await with baited breath. :)

You sold off some tivos their jaidev mate...?

Whilst jaidev's working on this, 2 things

1. Where are you located?

2. What happens when you select "Digital Satellite + Digital Cable/Digital Terrestrial"

.. For the sat, you'd get satellite sices (equivaent to 02113) for the terrestrial you'd get cable slices?

I don't have a UK so have no idea. But worth a try.

Hiya DJC

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1. Where are you located?

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Newmarket, Auckland

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2. What happens when you select "Digital Satellite + Digital Cable/Digital Terrestrial"

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My recollection is I get the Sky stations repeated but with "CAB" shown next to them. I think I tried every combination with a complete reset between each one. Problem is the cable slices dont have Alt or Triangle. Channel numbers for the remaining channels could be solved by adjusting channel numbers on a STB but I would like to run this Thomson as a standalone (no STB) to clean up the installation.

OK, we have temporarily repositioned Auckland on top of Dunedin ... see how you go now

Thanks, that works a treat, I appreciate the fix, I will PM n10ct as he was having the same problem. I redid GS without a reset and its found every channel and correctly numbered them.

What would us amateurs do without you guys. Have a great week!!

Yipppeeee!!!:)

Hi all, thanks for all the "clues" in this thread for setting up a UK tivo with 2.5.5 - now I can still watch sky while recording FTA using the internal tuner :) Only one question, is it possible to get NICAM from the rf output? My TV says it outputs mono (although I can still use the output from the scart connector instead anyway).

We really need to write a full guide for setting up a UK tivo, but in the mean time here are some tips for the next person who attempts to try this (all can be found on forum, wiki etc):

- edit /etc/tclientUK.conf and change the 127: line to the emulator ip and port 8000 ( 127::210.48.107.133:8000::: ) or setup emuproxy
- edit /etc/postcodezones and add "02112 Pacific/Auckland" (Tab between number and Pacific)
- run the commands in telnet:
dbsetx /Setup TimeZone 0
dbsetx /Setup DaylightSavingsPolicy 0
- copy the ukchan-2.5.5.o module (earlier in this thread) to /hack/ and telnet:
rw
cd /lib/modules
mv ukchan-2.5.5.o ukchan-2.5.5.o.backup
cp /hack/ukchan-2.5.5_nz-nicam.o /lib/modules/ukchan-2.5.5.o
ro

More or less follow the guided setup instructions for US tivo, with a couple of changes
- Change the phone dialing options and set the prefix to ",#401" (without the quotes) to use the Turbonet card
- Use postcode 02112 for FTA (or FTA and sky)
- I had to select "aerial and satellite", because "aerial and cable" reported there were no service providers

Again thanks to everyone involved :)

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Originally Posted by catdog

Only one question, is it possible to get NICAM from the rf output? My TV says it outputs mono (although I can still use the output from the scart connector instead anyway).

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It is definitely NICAM. However it is probably still in PAL-I NICAM (which means the audio is at a 6MHz offset) rather than PAL-B/G NICAM (which uses a 5.5MHz offset).

This script should fix you up. I call it "set_RFOutputChannel" and if you execute it without any parameters it will get your RFOutputChannel and flick it into PAL-B/G NICAM. If you provide a channel then it will use this instead. You can run it from your rc.sysinit or rc.sysinit.author if you want.

There is a simpler script and the iicsetnosub binary here

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#!/tvbin/tivosh

set db [dbopen]
if {$argc == 0} {
  RetryTransaction {
    set lconfig  [db $db open /Setup]
    set ch [dbobj $lconfig get RFOutputChannel]
  }
} else {
  set ch [lindex $argv 0]
  RetryTransaction {
    set lconfig  [db $db open /Setup]
    dbobj $lconfig set RFOutputChannel $ch
  }
}
dbclose $db

set rfo 0x8a480004
set rfo [expr $rfo|((303+($ch*8))<<4)]
set rfo [format "%#x" $rfo]

exec iicsetnosub 0xca $rfo

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Hmmm, cheers for the link thomson - my search didn't turn up that thread... guess it doesn't say stereo or NICAM anywhere! Anyway, the script successfully ran but the TV still says MONO. I even ran the more basic script and specified a new rf output channel to use - it changed ok but after tuning in the TV... still MONO! :mad:

I also found the NzStereoSupport page on the wiki, and ran "iicset4 0x88 0x10 0x00200008" without any luck. Perhaps it's just my TV being picky about something - I will try another TV to try and confirm whether it is outputting mono or nicam.

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Originally Posted by catdog

Anyway, the script successfully ran but the TV still says MONO.

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Definitely should be outputting NICAM. I use the RF Output from UK hardware running v2.5.5 and my 10yo Mitsi Diva recognises NICAM and the Amp's more than happy to distribute sound correctly to the rear channels (it's quite noticeable, particularly in ad's and shows with canned laughter).

With NICAM the left channel is an analogue mono signal and the right channel carries a digital signal (which will hiss on analogue gear). It looks like the TV may not support NICAM?