No Guide Data on Playhouse Disney

[Schumi]

Since a few days I have no guide data at all on PHouse, just a message "to be announced". Anyone got any clues - my daughter would appreciate it:confused:?

[DJC]

This channel's data is from the oztivo tvguide setup ... pay to check out http://www.oztivo.net/twiki/bin/view/TVGuide/WebHome

[petestrash]

Right now we have lost some of our regular uploaders, so we are missing quite a bit of pay data.

We need more people to give back to our community and upload the missing data.

Have a look here (http://www.oztivo.net/twiki/bin/view/TVGuide/WebHome) & here (http://www.oztivo.net/twiki/bin/view/Guidedata/WebHome).

Peter.

[jaidev]

We need more people to give back to our community .........

Peter.


Sounds familiar :eek:

[David Stott]

Right. I've tried several times to figure out how to help and I just can't. I'm not an expert but neither am I stupid, and the instructions just don't seem to make sense. I suspect I may not be alone in trying to help but being unable to actually work out how to do so, so giving up. That's probably why there are so few helpers. The one's who do know how to do it bear all the burden because it just not clear enough for the rest of us.

I followed the second link from Pete below (the first link had so much info I had no idea where to start, and when I did follow some links I got to a point where it said I wasn't registered, had no permission to be there and should piss off - so I did) and downloaded and ran SDE, the Station Day Editor. Firstly, I note that the stations all seem to be Australian ones with the possible exception of TV1. But worse, because I can't see which items ARE already entered, I have no idea what programme information is needed to help out.

Surely, the guide as it currently is should be presented (perhaps after selecting a channel), so we can see where the holes are and then we can go ahead and fill in the missing data.

Or am I missing the point entirely?

David

[petestrash]

There is a lot of information, and I think you have missed some of the important bits.

Firstly something that is not mentioned, but should be, is that this is an Australian Site for Australian schedules.

The TV1 channel that you mention is a PayTV channel that specialises in re-runs of classic TV series, nothing to do with TV1 in NZ.

We do not have anything to do with NZ Guide data directly. NZTiVo does pull some of it's Pay TV guide from us, like Playhouse Disney (the topic of this thread).

We do not have any local NZ channels in our database, so you cannot fix issues with local channels through us.

If you did want to fix some of the missing pay data you first need to see if we are the ones who are providing it.

All of our guide data is available via the TV Guide web interface (http://www.oztivo.net/tivo-bin/tvguide.pl), which first requires registration (http://www.oztivo.net/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration).

There you will see exactly which channels have data and for how far into the future.

Peter.

[Schumi]

Hi Pete,

Your points are well taken, but I am afraid David is right. I am in exactly the same position, I have no problem dedicating a little bit of time to input some data, but it is just too complicated to work. I don't think this needs a large debate about the willingness to conribute, because I do believe that willingness is there, but there are many people like David who will just turn away because they are overwhelmed by the amount of information there is to read and the effort that seems to be required to turn program information into data that the guide database will actually understand, not to mention different stationday format version and all the other pitfalls. In fact, I was about to write a post with a similar content to David's when I read his.

I myself have given up a few times already to help as it is just too darn complicated. Then a few months later I come back as I have somewhat of a guilty conscience only to turn away again as it has all changed, not necessarily for the better, just changed. We all appreciate the effort every one of the gurus is putting into this, but you will not get a large degree of assistance if it stays an insider task.

As nice as the UI for the stationday editor is, it takes forever to enter just a single show. Look at Playhouse TV, there are about 90 shows every day with no repeatable pattern, it would take forever and a day to enter these one by one. I would have thought a spreadsheet prepped by an Excel whiz would be such a simple tool, but just the instructions published in the "how to" section take an eternity to grasp, with all the extra steps necessary once the spreadsheet is made.

I'm determined not to give up this time so I will make it a point to help, even if all I do is get a days worth of data in with a spreadsheet that I construct myself, but I have to say if this stays as it is many more people like me will look, but ultimately turn away.

Cheerio

Stefan

[David Stott]

I'm now even more confused. This thread is in the section "New Zealand TV Guide Issues" so I assumed that any information on how to help related specifically to NZ data. Pete's post appears to imply that the instructions he posted below only apply to Australian data.

I live in NZ, have not been able to get full guide data for several days, and had come here as the obvious place (given the heading) to see if anyone else was having the same problem. If it's a global problem, then I was going to give it yet another go to see if I could help out. If it's not, then I need to find out what is wrong with my system (NB I have two TiVo's and they both have the same problem so it's not a TiVo specific issue). So:

1. Can someone else in NZ confirm whether or not they are having guide issues right now? Both TiVos say they successfully connected last night but I have no data for TV1, one day's data for TV2 and C4, and two days data for TV3. This has been the case for several days now.

2. Can someone put up instructions on how to update NZ data? I also noted that Pete mentioned the word "pay" data. Is free to air data created automatically?

David

[David Stott]

OK don't bother to answer question one. I see a new thread sprang up yesterday after I posted here first saying there IS a global problem.

David

[petestrash]

David this thread was specifically about data missing for Playhouse Disney, but you seem to have extended that to all missing NZ data.

I answered in here as this particular data is sourced from us (OzTiVo) by NZTiVo.

Peter.

[David Stott]

Peter

Quite right thanks.

Do I understand now that it's only Pay data that needs manually updating? And possibly only Aussie data? So my Question 2 below is irrelevant?

David

[petestrash]

Ok, that (http://www.oztivo.net/tivo-bin/tvguide.pl) website we (OzTiVo) run is meant for Australians and their FTA & PayTV guide needs.

NZTiVo takes some of our data to fill some of your (NZ) SKY guide data (I don't know exactly which channels you take from us).

If you are missing SKY data and that channel is on our website, and it shows no data, then most likely it is taken from us and needs someone to fill it.

There is no web interface for NZTiVo, this is something that there have been many requests for volunteers in the past to build. But there were no people with the skills/interest to be involved.

Peter.

[David Stott]

So who is NZTiVo then? I know my TiVos get NZ TV data from somewhere each night. Who makes that data available? Is it an automated process that runs somewhere or are there legions of NZers with TiVos beavering away somewhere to bring it to us?

David

[petestrash]

Check here (http://forums.oztivo.net/showthread.php?t=2136).

Peter.

[DJC]

Thanks as always Peter for keeping an eye on this.

This thread should be closed, I see that the oz TVGuide setup has data for these channels again for which we are greatful to whoever handles that and the oz team for access. It renders this thread complete.

As stated earlier the nzTiVo effort is greatful for the oz xml, we prefer to use creative commons sourced data where-ever we can, for example on any of the channels that are simply broadcast in both countries.

Playhouse & Disney being good examples, can normally tell as they have AU/NZ times when promo'ing upcoming shows.

And we have some bigger issues to handle over here.

[petestrash]

Just letting you know we have fixed our issues with Playhouse Disney for the time being, so it should have a bit of data now.

Peter.