channel organisation

[vmancini]

Hi all,

Just still tinkering with the TiVo, I don't know if its common but in my FTA and Austar channel configuration, when I look at the menu to choose which channels are displayed, it lists from channel 0 to channel 999 and all the associated ones for the appropriate stations, but when I look at them through the program guide, the list starts at channel 182 then goes all the way through to channel 999 then starts from 0 then goes to channel 126. I'm missing a segment from 126 to 182 and the channel ordering is quite annoying. I only have a couple of the non-available FTA channels switched off.

I've tried restarting the box with no changes.

Any ideas?

Thanks

[petestrash]

I'm not entirely sure what you are describing.

Is this what you see on your TiVo.

channel: 182 ACC
channel: 193 ABC-Qld
channel: 194 ABC-NSW
channel: 195 ABC-Vic
channel: 196 ABC-SA
channel: 197 ABC-NT
channel: 126 ABC2
channel: 182 ACC
channel: 955 ADULT
channel: 517 ADV1
channel: 830 AIRACT
channel: 615 ANIMAL
channel: 941 ANT
channel: 555 ARCADE
channel: 105 ARNA DoNotShift
channel: 154 ARNA+2
channel: 183 AUR
channel: 606 BBC
channel: 115 BIOG
channel: 650 BLM
channel: 715 BOOM
channel: 713 CART
channel: 112 CLAS
channel: 152 CLAS+2
channel: 803 CLUBV DoNotShift
channel: 815 CMC DoNotShift
channel: 113 CMDY
channel: 153 CMDY+2
channel: 652 CNBC
channel: 605 CNNI
channel: 617 CRIME
channel: 610 DISC
channel: 707 DISN DoNotShift
channel: 121 E!
channel: 508 ESPN
channel: 514 EUROSPORT
channel: 177 EXPO
channel: 123 FASH
channel: 506 FFC
channel: 117 FOOD
channel: 108 FOX8 DoNotShift
channel: 150 FOX8+2 DoNotShift
channel: 604 FOXN
channel: 501 FS1
channel: 502 FS2
channel: 503 FS3
channel: 513 FSN
channel: 516 FUEL
channel: 999 GUIDE
channel: 116 HALL
channel: 640 HEALTH DoNotShift
channel: 608 HIST
channel: 118 HOWTO DoNotShift
channel: 106 LIFE DoNotShift
channel: 157 LIFE+2
channel: 518 MAIN
channel: 805 max
channel: 565 MINDGAMES
channel: 411 MOV1 DoNotShift
channel: 412 MOV1+2 DoNotShift
channel: 415 MOVG DoNotShift
channel: 413 MOVX DoNotShift
channel: 808 MTV DoNotShift
channel: 612 NGEO
channel: 701 NICK DoNotShift
channel: 703 NICKJR DoNotShift
channel: 0 NoNag
channel: 125 OVAT
channel: 709 PHDISN
channel: 942 RAI
channel: 648 SBSWN
channel: 638 SCIENCE
channel: 401 SHOW DoNotShift
channel: 402 SHW2 DoNotShift
channel: 404 SHWGRTS DoNotShift
channel: 601 SKYN
channel: 519 SKYR
channel: 132 Sci-Fi
channel: 417 TCM
channel: 646 TRAVEL
channel: 101 TV1 DoNotShift
channel: 151 TV1+2 DoNotShift
channel: 520 TVN
channel: 176 TVSN
channel: 603 TWC
channel: 103 UKTV DoNotShift
channel: 156 UKTV+2
channel: 801 V DoNotShift
channel: 810 VH1 DoNotShift
channel: 114 W
channel: 155 W+2
channel: 419 WMOV DoNotShift

Peter.

[vmancini]

Hi Peter,

My channels through the program guide are like this:


182 ACC Australian Christian Channel
183 AUR Aurora Community Television
193 ABC-Qld ABC Qld
194 ABC-NSW ABC NSW
195 ABC-Vic ABC Vic
196 ABC-SA ABC SA
197 ABC-NT ABC NT
401 SHOW Showtime
402 SHW2 Showtime 2
404 SHWGRTS Showtime Greats
411 MOV1 Movie One
412 MOV1+2 Movie One Take Two
413 MOVX Movie Extra
415 MOVG Movie Greats
417 TCM Turner Classic Movies
419 WMOV World Movies
501 FS1 Fox Sports One
502 FS2 Fox Sports Two
503 FS3 Fox Sports Three
506 FFC Fox Footy Channel
508 ESPN ESPN
513 FSN Fox Sports News
514 EUROSPORT European Sports News
516 FUEL Fuel
517 ADV1 Adventure One
518 MAIN Main Event
519 SKYR Sky Racing
520 TVN Thoroughbred Racing
555 ARCADE Arcade Games
565 MINDGAMES Mindgames
601 SKYN Sky News Australia
603 TWC Weather Channel
604 FOXN Fox News Channel
605 CNNI CNN International
606 BBC BBC World
608 HIST History Channel
610 DISC Discovery Channel
612 NGEO National Geographic Channel
615 ANIMAL Animal Planet
617 CRIME Crime & Investigation
638 SCIENCE Discovery Science
640 HEALTH Discovery Health
646 TRAVEL Discovery Travel & Adventure Channel
648 SBSWN SBS World News
650 BLM Bloomberg Television
652 CNBC CNBC Australia
701 NICK Nickelodeon
703 NICKJR Nick Jr
707 DISN Disney Channel
709 PHDISN Playhouse Disney
713 CART Cartoon Network
715 BOOM Boomerang
801 V Channel V
803 CLUBV Club V
805 max musicMAX
808 MTV MTV
810 VH1 VH1
815 CMC Country Music Channel
830 AIRACT air: Active
941 ANT Antenna
942 RAI RAI International
955 ADULT Adults Only
999 GUIDE Foxtel Digital Guide
0 NoNag No Nag Channel
0 NoNag No Nag Channel
2 PrimeS Prime South
6 WIN-NSW WIN NSW
7 ABC-NSW ABC NSW
9 WIN-NSW WIN NSW
28 SBS-NSW SBS NSW
29 SBS-NSW SBS NSW
31 PrimeS Prime South
32 WIN-NSW WIN NSW
35 SC10-NSW Southern Cross Ten NSW
53 SBS-NSW SBS NSW
56 ABC-NSW ABC NSW
57 WIN-NSW WIN NSW
59 PrimeS Prime South
60 SBS-NSW SBS NSW
62 WIN-NSW WIN NSW
63 PrimeS Prime South
65 SC10-NSW Southern Cross Ten NSW
66 ABC-NSW ABC NSW
101 TV1 TV1
102 ABC-NSW ABC NSW
103 UKTV UKTV
104 SBS-NSW SBS NSW
105 ARNA Arena
106 LIFE LifeStyle Channel
108 FOX8 Fox8
112 CLAS Fox Classics
113 CMDY thecomedychannel
114 W W for Women
115 BIOG The Biography Channel
116 HALL Hallmark Channel
117 FOOD LifeStyle Food
118 HOWTO How To Channel
121 E! Entertainment Channel
123 FASH Fashion TV
125 OVAT Ovation
126 ABC2 ABC2

These channels are missing:

132 Sci-Fi Sci Fi
150 FOX8+2 FOX8 +2
151 TV1+2 TV1 +2
152 CLAS+2 Fox Classics +2
153 CMDY+2 thecomedychannel +2
154 ARNA+2 Arena +2
155 W+2 W for Women
156 UKTV+2 UK.TV +2
157 LIFE+2 LifeStyle Channel +2
176 TVSN Television Shopping Network
177 EXPO Expo Channel

I have selected add all channels yet these channels are no where to be found and it gets a little frustrating trying to watch austar with the channels divided by FTA. Also noting that when I hit the program guide button, the program guide is on 0 NoNag, in the middle of the list.

Vito

[petestrash]

1. Go into TWP click on more...>MFS>Setup

2. Then click on the number next to Source =

3. Then click one of the numbers next to Headend =

4. If TmsHeadendId = NS2016 good, if not then go back to the previous page and select the other number next to Headend =

5. When TmsHeadendId shows NS2016, what do 'ServerVersion =' and 'Version =' show.

Peter.
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[vmancini]

1. Go into TWP click on more...>MFS>Setup

2. Then click on the number next to Source =

There are 2 sources listed: 2274/12 2274/13


3. Then click one of the numbers next to Headend =

Under 2274/12, there is only 1 headend code: 2434/-1
Its TmsHeadendId = NS02016

Under 2274/13 There is only 1 headend code: 2908/-1
Its TmsHeadendId = NS02680


4. If TmsHeadendId = NS2016 good, if not then go back to the previous page and select the other number next to Headend =

5. When TmsHeadendId shows NS2016, what do 'ServerVersion =' and 'Version =' show.

if NS02016 is the correct one, ServerVersion is 30 and Version is 1
Peter.

[petestrash]

Yeh, my fault I dropped the leading zero.

Ok ServerVersion = 30 is correct for the most recent lineup.

I can only assume something went wrong during GS. I don't know of an easy way to fix other than redoing GS again.

Peter.

PS are the missing channels shown in the add/remove channels section ?

[vmancini]

Yes, they're in the add/remove channels section and they are ticked... With the Guided Setup, I ran it but it has all my defaults in the system already, is there a way to reset the software without reimaging?

Vito

[petestrash]

Use TiVoWeb to enable "PAL Guided Setup" mode. Then reboot

Peter

[vmancini]

Hi Peter,

I've selected set PAL guided setup mode and logged in via telnet and reboot. The screen says maintenance mode but when it starts up it brings the usual TiVo central start screen.

I've also done the same thing by selecting restart through the tivo screen menu and also tried turning power off at the main and still no GS mode.

At all times, I've been back to the sysAdmin options and made sure set PAL guided setup mode was selected.

Is there any other way to get into GS mode?

Vito

[petestrash]

once in maintenance mode, you can then go into Messages & Setup > System Reset > Repeat Guided Setup

Peter.

[vmancini]

Done it, when I go through it, all the options have been pre-selected from the first install, they are all correct so I'm pretty much tapping the select button all the way through. The TV guide after the whole process looks exactly the same as before.

Is there any way to clear all those settings, eg channel data and all that so when I do the guided setup everything gets chosen properly?

Vito

[vmancini]

Oh, I've been playing with GS any decided to select austar instead of austar digital just to see if I can fool TiVo into reselecting a fresh channel list of Austar and I have noticed that the channels in the TV guide loop back to the start when you scroll all the way through... my old configuration used to keep making a beeping noise when I got down to the bottom of the list (channel 126) and beep when I scrolled up to the top (channel 182) (refer to my 2nd post).

I thought the inability to scroll in a loop was normal, if that wasn't the case then the problem wouldn't be so bad. But it gets frustrating to go from say Showtime to the Fox8 because you have to scroll the long way through.

I might not have explained that as part of the problem before.

Anyway, my idea of trying to reselect austar digital didn't work... running out of ideas.

Vito

[petestrash]

So you selected austar and completed gs, then went back to austar digital again without any change ?

Peter.

[vmancini]

thats right. there's got to be some sort of DB or index file that I can clear. To me, it seems like TiVo remembers previous settings which is causing the grief.

Vito

[petestrash]

There are two routes to try, the first is to really start from scratch (and probably best at this point), but will delete your recordings.

Use TiVoWeb to enable "PAL Guided Setup" mode. Then select Messages & Setup > System Reset > Clear & Delete everything. Which will restart a fresh GS.

The 2nd option if you wanted to keep recordings.

redo GS again as you have previously done, but this time replace austar with the same FTA selection you use for the other input.

Let the box reindex and settle for a few hours, then reboot.

Then telnet into your TiVo and get the command prompt. Change into the /tmp directory:

cd /tmp

Use a wget command to fetch a script from the Emulator, and make the script executable:

wget http://131.244.9.101/TiVo/files/scripts/sync_channels.tcl
chmod +x sync_channels.tcl

Now run the script:

/tmp/sync_channels.tcl -y

This should remove any remaining channel entries. reboot.

now finally do GS again an select Austar Digital.

Peter.

[vmancini]

Um, TiVo couldn't dial in so I checked the how-to's and added ,#401 to the dial prefix. But trouble's started when it says that there's no dial in numbers for 002 - I selected the option saying don't worry about it (something like that) and continued. I am faced with a whole heap of what looks like to be US regions. I think a little too much data got erased.

BTW I used area code 02000 and I have searched the posts for similar prob's, one person used the code 02114 and got around it, giving it a go now

Vito

[petestrash]

2114 is a NZ code not for Australia.

Peter.

[petestrash]

How does your TiVo connect to the internet

[vmancini]

through my ADSL router... the 02114 didn't change a thing, still no dial in numbers available

[vmancini]

thats funny, I've tried countless times and it kept telling me there's no phone numbers with 002. I rebooted and now its found numbers for 002, connecting to download guide data now ...

[vmancini]

Guess what... GS is complete and the problem still remains. I'll try the other option you listed and see what happens.

Wish me luck.

[petestrash]

So just to confirm, you were still missing the same bunch of channels? The missing channels exist and are selected in 'channels you recieve', but don't appear when scrolling through the channels.

Chances are if the full clear and delete didn't do it for you, the other option is not likely to fix it either.

Sorry, I'm out of ideas apart from a complete reimage.

Anyone else have a suggestion?

Peter.

[vmancini]

Something is totally wrong with this TiVo. I have done a full re-image and the the problem still remains. Does anyone have an Austar Digital / Murrumbidgee FTA channel arrangement? Any troubles?

My uncle has a TiVo with the exact same arrangement setup about half a year ago (before a lot of new channels were added to Austar). No problems there.

My guess is that this is extremely weird. Since the software is new and the prob remains, can hardware be at fault?

Vito

[petestrash]

I have a spare TiVo due next week. I'll run GS on it and see what comes up.

I doubt you have a hardware problem, but that said can't see where there is a software issue either.

Just to confirm when you re-imaged you:

1. choose the option to update the installer before loading the new image.
2. left all the channels you should recieve selected during GS
3. left the TiVo alone to do it's things for a few hours
4. ran the update_oztivo -y script then rebooted.

and you now still have:
132 Sci-Fi Sci Fi
150 FOX8+2 FOX8 +2
151 TV1+2 TV1 +2
152 CLAS+2 Fox Classics +2
153 CMDY+2 thecomedychannel +2
154 ARNA+2 Arena +2
155 W+2 W for Women
156 UKTV+2 UK.TV +2
157 LIFE+2 LifeStyle Channel +2
176 TVSN Television Shopping Network
177 EXPO Expo Channel

missing despite being selected in channels you recieve.

Peter.

[vmancini]

Hi Peter,

Thanks for giving it a go, it's getting frustrating.

I have done all except No.4 which I have just done... Does it take a while to update after reboot?

Just making it clear, in the tv guide when I scroll upwards and get to channel 182, the guide freezes and makes beeps for every channel up button pressed and vice versa for channel down. The guide flickers when you press up or down on the limits so I think the data may be there but TiVo won't display it... just a hunch.

Anyway, I'll take the box back to the TV and see if update_oztivo -y worked

BTW: All this testing and GS has been done without Austar or FTA plugged in, I don't have access near my computer. I doubt that TiVo is grabbing guide data off Austar but just letting you know.

Thanks again,

Vito

[vmancini]

Actually to test my theory which I don't know why I haven't tried earlier, I typed in one of the missing channels whilst in the TV guide and bingo, the missing channels appear but all the other channels that used to be displayed are now gone... actually all gone except channels 126 and 182 (the boundary channels before are the boundary channels again)

So if I type in say number 401, the usual list of channels come up. Then, if I type in 132, the hidden channels come up. weird ey.

Vito

[petestrash]

BTW: All this testing and GS has been done without Austar or FTA plugged in, I don't have access near my computer. I doubt that TiVo is grabbing guide data off Austar but just letting you know.

No difference, there is nothing that is grabbed from Austar. All data is grabbed only from our servers.

Peter

[vmancini]

Hi Peter,

Just wondering if you've had a chance to play with the GS on your new TiVo? I've still got mine pulled apart, not too sure what to do with it.

My uncle has a TiVo with the Murrumbidgee FTA and Austar digital, its working fine... only issue is that its running version 1.4... Any big differences? If it comes down to it, is there a possiblility of reimaging either to a fresh copy of 1.4 or somehow copying his disk image and placing it on my one?

Thanks,

Vito

[petestrash]

It's best not to ask about the spare TiVo :mad: :mad: :mad: as the A**hole seller has sent it surface rather than EMS despite the fact I paid the agreed $90 for EMS shipping. So I will now only have a spare in about 2-3 months :eek:

I have another TiVo setup for testing as well usually recording Pay Tv. there is a gap in the todo list tonight between midnight and 5am. If I'm still up, I'll give it a go tonight.

There are no differences between r1.4 and r.15 which would effect channel allocation.

But certainly you could copy your uncles drive and it should bypass the problem you are seeing.

Peter.

[Darren King]

can hardware be at fault?

No. (edit: well, ok... doubtful. But never known channels missing to be attributed to a hardware problem as it is more a database held as files on the hard disk).


It's best not to ask about the spare TiVo :mad: as the A**hole seller has sent it surface rather than EMS despite the fact I paid the agreed $90 for EMS shipping. So I will now only have a spare in about 2-3 months :eek:

Oh great :mad:

OK... in that case would one of you two give me a brief explanation of what you want a TiVo set up as lineup wise, what version of software, and what the problem is and I'll crank up a spare chassis in the test rack later tonight and see what happens.

[petestrash]

Thanks Darren,

No need, unless you want to have a play yourself. (2 sources,02000,002,Austar Dig,Murrumbidgee FTA,any stb for austar)

I have given it a try tonight and get the same results as Vito.

The problem is not really a big deal as it only effects the TiVo overlay guide when using the 'liveTv/Guide' button on the remote. the channel up/down function is not affected, nor is TiVO sending IR to the 'missing channels' for recordings.

I have found cause of the problem to be duplicate channels in the headend :) . Previously I was looking for the missing channels, but this was a red herring:rolleyes: .

I have an interim solution for you Vito, until I fix the headends sometime next week.

Go into Channels you recieve and de-select both 0 - NoNag channels, de-select either of the 126 - ABC2 channels, and de-delect either of the 182 - ACC channels. Also de-select any channels (Austar or FTA) that you don't recieve. Then press right arrow to store the settings. This will fix your problems:p .

As far as your Uncles TiVo is concerned, he either has already de-selected these channels or hasn't noticed the problem in the on screen guide.

As a rule most people with a TiVo never watch live TV, as they always have something pre-recorded to watch;) . so they never scroll through the channels as you were doing.

Peter.

[vmancini]

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Can't believe its all sorted out! I can get onto the more important things in life such as setting all lost episodes to be recorded. :-)

Thanks again Peter and Darren for all your assistance.

Vito

[daggo]

I was wondering why I had 2 ABCs and ACCs. I have never bothered with the new channels and I don't surf up or down, just use the "live TV" guide. But I was wondering why I never got sci-fi in my channel list, but if I stick in a 132 on the remote I get it.

So if I wait a week or so will it fix it's self up? And will tivo give me a message that it has new channels?

As a side bar. KnoppMythTV latest release R5E50 worked for me with only a little pain. After 12 months of fighting with it, from R7B, I now have a working system to store all my converted .ty files from the tivo yipee!!!
Myth is not for the faint-hearted. TiVO took me all of 3 hours to get working, and that is with the audio mods. Compared with 12 months of the wife grumpling about the "other stupid PC" next to TV.

[petestrash]

yes, you should get a lineup change soon, which will remove the extra channels. You will then see Sci-Fi in the 'live TV' guide.

The lineups are now owned by Ross, on the server so I cannot directly change them. But I have asked him to make the changes.

Peter.

[daggo]

Thanks Peter. No rush, I didn't even know I was missing them till I read this thread :p